First of all, a disclaimer – I love Mary!!
Agh! I was so discouraged.
Why did Lorde never publicly acknowledged Daly’s response?
Then I asked Mary Daly about it…and to see her pain...it was still a hurtful experience for her. So, I began to wonder...
I have 5 themes I picked up on and at the end, two practical first steps to offer that I think may make a difference in our efforts to engage in dialogue and connect across differences. I offer these now.
1 - People want to have their experiences and their perspectives, acknowledged and understood by the other:
But our experiences shape our unique perspective and understanding of things, and we speak out of these. And to speak out of these is to make ourselves vulnerable. It is to open oneself up to the potential of being misunderstood and hurt.
2 – There is a fear of being erased or dismissed by one another.
And part of the fear is that one will be dismissed or erased as a result of being misunderstood or from being disagreed with. To communicate, is to be vulnerable, and thus to risk rejection or dismissal; to communicate requires courage.
3 – There is an affirmation that the Old Patterns do not work and New Patterns must be created. We can learn from what did not work in the past and create new patterns for the present and for the future without having to invalidate the efforts of those who came before us. Instead we can (and must) work together to create new patterns/practices in partnership with those who have come and begun the work before us.
4 – There is a Hope or Aim that inspires them and out of which feminists work – sometimes made explicit, sometimes not:
Feminists are all working out of a hope or aim that inspires them; this is always personal and therefore also fragile.
5 – And there are Barriers to the Hope.
There are barriers to that hope that we are working to overcome – and sometimes it is in response to these barriers that we speak.
Some of the barriers are:
- Lack of awareness
- Generalizations and oversimplifications
- Not struggling through the hard parts
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But I am left with the question, “How do we avoid reaching the point where we hurt each other irreparably?”
Lorde wrote to Daly, “I would like to not have to destroy you in my consciousness,” (Whimsy, 97).
Eventually Daly did represent, for Lorde, all the white women who refused to deal with race differences.
And for Daly, she experienced Lorde as having betrayed their sisterhood – of scapegoating her for political gains and of not giving their dialogue a chance.
And she is still affected by it to this day.
(And for Daly, did her experiences and hurt by the church cause her to only speak from her own experience without realizing how it would hurt the sisterhood?)
In conversation with my own friend “across difference,” I have come up with two basic starting points for how to engage in dialogue across difference.
1) As a speaker/writer:
We must recognize and explicitly state that we speak from our own experiences.
We “know” what we know and are certain of it because we have experienced it, it resonates with our reality – but that is not necessarily the case with others.
And on the flip side others have just as much certainty about what they know and have experienced, and the truth of their reality – but neither offers the fullness of any reality, it is limited and recognizing that can open us up to hear one another’s contributions.
2) As the listerner/reader:
We must keep each other human. Each person is distinctly shaped by so many different experiences, from terribly hurtful experiences to wonderfully life-giving ones, and their complexity as a human cannot be reduced to any one aspect of what they express, or of what we understand them to be expressing.
For example Lorde states – “To examine Black women’s literature effectively requires that we be seen as whole people in our actual complexities – as individuals, as women, as human – rather than as one of those problematic but familiar stereotypes provided in this society in place of genuine images of Black women,” (FTR, 290).
Could we not do this of one another when we engage with any particular thing another person says and writes? Can we remember to keep each other’s contributions in the context of their whole humanity of which we are only aware of in part?
Can we remember that all of us have all kinds of varied experiences that make us humans? Katie Cannon wrote to Carter Heyward in Whimsy, page 36:
“When we, as various people, can claim the beauty of our innerselves, then we do not have to exploit, oppress, disenfranchise other people in some kind of hierarchical, vertical sadomasochistic pecking order.”
Perhaps in these two small practices of how we listen and how we speak to one another, we can begin to move even closer to the reality of the transformed world that inspires and moves us.
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Texts Used:
A) Audre Lorde’s “Open Letter to Mary Daly,” in This Bridge Called My Back, Eds. Cherrie Moraga (94-97) and Gloria Anzaldua,
and Mary Daly’s response in Amazon Grace, by Mary Daly (25-26).
B) Letters between Katie Cannon and Carter Heyward in God’s Fierce Whimsy, (35-59).
C) Renita J. Weems’ blog, Something Within January 31, 2008 entry “Baby Girl, Where’s Your Line in the Sand.”
D) Also consulted:
a. Rosemary Radford Ruether’s lecture from the “Religion and the Feminist Movement” Conference at the
b. Mary Daly’s Gyn/Ecology, “The New Intergalactic Introduction,” (xxix-xxxiii).
c. Alexis De Veaux’s Warrior Poet: A Biography of Audre Lorde, (233-239, 246-253).
d. Gloria Anzaldua’s essay, “La Prieta,” in This Bridge Called My Back, (198-209).
8 comments:
Random questions (I have no answers or opinions) that popped up after reading your post: is there a difference between dialoguing across difference and dialoguing in spite of difference? What is it? Is the goal to 'overcome' barriers? Is a resolution required to achieve real dialogue? Hmmmm . . . . . Keep up the grand, excellent and thoughtful feminist theologizing!
I guess the emphasis for me in this specific reflection is not about overcoming barriers per se or engaging in dialogue 'in spite' of difference. But on how we, in this case as feminists and womanists, engage in dialogue and partner with one another across our differences so that we don't cause each other the kind of hurt and damage that Mary and Audre, for example, caused each other.
The overall goal being a new reality, a just and creative reality (read non-patriarchal), which we are more likely to realize (even if only in small ways) when we partner, collaborate and creatively pursue it together.
But obviously our visions are all uniquely shaped by our experiences and a thousand other things, and so a starting point has to be the practice of learning how to listen and speak with one another in ways that allow us to "hear each other into speech," instead of irreparably hurting and damaging one another (i.e. Daly and Lorde).
I'm not sure a resolution is always possible, or necessary, but I think the simple and terribly difficult practice of truly listening to and understanding one another (and feeling understood by the other), across or despite our differences, in itself would be a transforming act that would actually begin to make real a new, feminist, and I think divine, reality.
Thanks for helping me reflect some more!
I'm appreciate your writing skill.Please keep on working hard.^^
Ah, thank you!
I think the answer to your question Xochitl about why Mary Daly didn't have an open letter of her own is about a different time and a different generation. Mary Daly was a very private woman, and she was reticent in the face of overt conflict. She chose not to say anything rather than challenge Audre Lorde's slightly inaccurate statement about her total non-response to a letter.
Mary Daly was a lesbian separatist, Audre Lorde was not. Audre Lorde had been married to a man and had a child, Mary Daly was a lifelong lesbian. Just these two points alone are significant.
In this tell all world of Facebook, sound bites and reality TV, silence can seem very perplexing indeed. Mary Daly had a great depth of feeling for women, and women's freedom. Some would call it a purity of heart.
So we have to go back in time, and recognize that each woman who tries to find liberation for herself and all women isn't going to get it perfect. Not all feminists ever get along, and certainly if we are talking about race, we add more to this mixture.
This was a very painful episode in Mary Daly's life. She was naieve in thinking all women were sisters, and confused when 'factions" of feminists sprang up over time.
So thanks Xochitl for your reflections on Mary. Sometimes, women are in silence about the depth of pain. Silence doesn't mean that women are being racists, for example. Silence can mean many things, and we'll learn more as a good woman writes the definitive biography of Mary Daly.
P.S. And sometimes the answers are simple. Why didn't Audre Lorde acknowlege the letter Mary Daly did send, rather than stating till the day she died that she had received NO letter in response to her open letter?
Painful as the answer may be, Audre Lorde simply lied.
Xochitl: solidaridad
thank you for your post and this discussion. very rich.
i was just thinking, a few times i have almost invisibilised/ disappeared people when i was really angry. like i couldn't really SEE them for a while. and its very hard to have good dialogue when one of you is invisible (smile)
maybe that's what happened between many and mary daly? not just audre lorde. i have feminist friends who can't speak of her at all without grinding teeth after gyn/ecology.
hmm, she also disappeared/pathologized trans people too. patrianger blurring her vision too?
so i met her in 'Beyond God the Father' and this sister -she made me laugh, cry and rant all at once. one long, crazy sitting. i still have the journal where i scribbled down notes almost as long as the book. 15 years ago. wow.
and as a feminist sister she pissed me off a few times, once severely. but i can't/won't stop SEEING her. because of the huge womanlove in her work. can't be that mad for that long.
and her lessons in wordweaving are a trusted tool. what a gift to us, ay. so thats what i'm thinking about right now.
Thanks to you all for the latest contributions to this.
I think that makes a lot of sense, that sometimes when we are so emotionally affected we can "invisibilize/disappear" one another.
And maybe that could be part of why Lorde didn't publicly acknowledge Daly's response to her - she was that affected.
We can be silent out of pain and we can invisibilize out of anger and hurt as well. I want us to continue to practice seeing one another and hearing each other into speech.
It's good to remember that as feminists/womanists we function both out of our womenlove (which does help us see) and out of the context of our whole humanity, experiences, and emotions - which at times does not make for the most transformation-inspiring actions.
Sometimes it is so depressing how much we hurt one another without meaning to.
I feel that way right now in life...
Except then I read thoughtful comments like you all's and I know we are not working alone, we are each doing our part :)
Thank you.
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